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Thursday, 03 December 2009 12:21

Residents Rally Against Bikers

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Meeting will be held at St Lucia Town Hall At 7PM on Monday 7th December 2009 See you all there!   ‘I would like to see a huge banner strung across the entrance of the town saying: St Lucia welcomes the Ulysses National Rally’,’ – Rally organiser, Gian Ferraris

By Dave Savides

TEMPERS are flaring at St Lucia as battle lines are drawn over a proposed biker rally in the village in May next year.

Conservation-minded residents are lobbying support to keep the roaring machines away from the World Heritage destination, afraid – based on past experience – that the town will be torn apart.

But the organiser believes this attitude is short-sighted, unfair and against the best interests of a community severely hit by declining tourism revenue.

Things will come to a head on Monday when Gian Ferraris, veteran of scores of biker rallies, will address objectors at a public meeting in St Lucia.

A harshly-worded email widely circulated by a lodge owner last week pulled no punches in calling for the Wetland Authority to ban the bikers.

Referring to bikers as ‘noisy, often drunk and unruly’, it claims they have ‘total disregard to pedestrians or other motorists’ and will ‘use and abuse’ the area.

‘I do not believe it is necessary to violate our nature village to make some money,’ said originator of the email, Lyzette Kotze, who has received widespread support.

 Untruths

However, Ferraris rejected the email as ‘hysterical’ and containing ‘untruths’, and says the proposed Ulysses National Rally will bear no resemblance to an event held last year that led to the stand taken by Kotze and others.

‘Those who know me, know the kind of event I am associated with and I welcome the opportunity to state my case before the residents of St Lucia.’

‘Up front, I want to make the following points, so that people come to the meeting informed, rather than misled:

  • we anticipate about 700 members to turn up - not 900 bikes as alleged
  • I take exception to the stereotype comments made that are derogatory, hostile and nothing short of insulting to all motorcycle owners
  • my intention to bring bikers to St Lucia is for them to appreciate its beauty and its heritage - not for them to ‘destroy’ the town or the fauna and flora within it
  • visitors in the category of Ulysseans are influential people who may even invest in property or buy businesses in or around St Lucia, or at least come back with their family and friends for future holidays
  • we know that on average every member spends about R1 800 during a rally weekend. This equates to R1.3-million at least that will be spent in St Lucia.
  • How many other operators, promoters or organisers bring this number of visitors into St Lucia over one weekend in the off season?
  • our previous Ulysses rallies were held in the Drakensberg and the Cape Winelands, both of whom gave glowing references.
  • very few of our members, who must be over 40, do the camping thing. Most bring their wives and stay in hotels, lodges, and B&B’s
  • it is a fact that bikers donate more to charities in South Africa than any other sporting body. We do toy runs, blood donations, old age home collections and others. The Hippo Rally alone has donated over R200 000 into local causes
  • national statistics show that 78% of biking accidents are caused by motorists. Who then should be taken off our roads, bikers or motorists?
  • by saying: ‘We should protect…our children  and our eco-tourists’, does this imply that bikers will abduct or rape children, or attack tourists?
  • the airfield at 121 Battalion, not the town, will be the venue for biking activities.
  • my reputation as an organiser is at stake here.’

 Welcome sign

Ferraris believes double standards are being applied.

‘Why are calls not being made to ban New Year’s Day beach celebrations when, in peak tourism season, breaking bottles, drunk and disorderly, indecent exposure, littering and urinating in public, bodily assaults, etc are common?

‘We are expecting entrants from all over South Africa and from across our borders.

‘I personally think that a warm welcoming committee would be more appropriate to the bikers than to be confronted by a bunch of hostile residents and misinformed business owners,’ said Ferraris.

‘I would like to change your perceptions and attitudes towards the Ulysseans.’

 

Published by permission of Dave Savides at www.zululandobserver.co.za

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22 comments

  • Comment Link Debbie Smith Monday, 14 December 2009 11:51 posted by Debbie Smith

    I was one of the residents that wanted to welcome the biker group to St. Lucia...however..
    Mr. Andrew Bester is one of the most respected men in our town and Mr. Gian Ferraris , I find your cheap sarcasm and snide remarks about MR. Bester, quite pathetic and aggitating.
    If your attitude ,in any way , reflects the mood of the biker group, than I will definitely change my vote to .NO..NO...
    I think you owe Mr. Bester an apology and please stop with the mud-slinging..it's not going to get you any where !

  • Comment Link Gian Ferraris Friday, 11 December 2009 14:55 posted by Gian Ferraris

    I think I would like the last word if I may. Mr. Andrew Bester was one of the first people I spoke to after I received a copy of Mrs. Kotze's e-mail. He was the one who was abnoxious and arrogant to me stating that I would never get it right to have the event in St Lucia because there were so many people against it. I argued and said that nobody could stop it. His words to me where "do you want a bet" Then the article appeared in the media and also mentioning the meeting that I had proposed. I called Andrew Bester to find out if he could round up all the residents and business owners that he could find who were against the rally to attend. He was again argumentative asking what I was hoping to achieve by this. I told him that I wanted to answer all their concerns. However I did add that if they did not attend the meeting "they must forever hold their piece" The meeting was advertised in this website as well. By the way, Mr. Bester actually phoned me very concerned that I had not mentioned the time. Not wanting to have fingers pointed at me we advertisewd the time. Mr. Bester then went to the trouble of explaining to me that he had to take a neutral stand because of his position as Chairman of the St Lucia Rate Payers Ass. Well if this is what you call taking a "neutral" stand:- Raising pathetic little arguments like if you were a wealthy businessman from Gauteng and you were about to have a nervous breakdown due to work related stress and decided to take your family down to St Lucia for the weekend and were confronted with 300 bikers, "How do you think I would react"
    Going to the trouble of contacting the Richards Bay Chief Traffic Officer to get advice. Phoning our National Chairperson to voice your concerns. Phoning our National Secretary and harrassing her. Extracting incorrect paragraphs from the Road Ordinance and faxing them to me. Ignoring the three impeccable written references by previous venues that were presented to you. Saying that you found it hard to believe our National Secretary in her experiences with the Ulysses. Reporting my conversation with you to our National Chairman as been abnoxious, arrogant and now you have the nerve to write absolute nonsense on this wesite. There is an advert on televisoion that is appropriate for you andit goes something like this "Sit ubu Sit - Good Dog

  • Comment Link Debbie Smith Friday, 11 December 2009 10:13 posted by Debbie Smith

    How could these bikers be any worse, than what we experience every weekend in St. Lucia ?
    Every weekend,we have the Security Company , chasing after cars , speeding down Mckenzie street at any ungodly hour of the night.Youngsters moving from Key West to Babooshka to Monkey Lounge, using the most vile language / fighting / drunk as lords / screaming / smashing bottles / shouting obscenities.
    Cars / Taxis parked all over with music blaring at 12-2am ( especially at the Engen Garage ) waking up the whole neighbourhood.
    Music blaring from so-called " night clubs "in St. Lucia , disturbing all our guests.
    Could someone PLEASE tell me what these bikers can do , to surpass what happens EVERY WEEKEND , in st. Lucia.
    At least, with the bikers , we would know who they are and who to complain to , if there are any problems.
    Bikers , you are MORE than welcome !

  • Comment Link Reyem Meyer Tuesday, 08 December 2009 19:23 posted by Reyem Meyer

    As a St Lucian I am very disturbed and even more deeply concerned than ever before, this following last night's meeting held in St Lucia, which was arranged in order for Mr. Ferraris to present his case and try and to convince us St Lucians that this proposed rally is a good idea. Mr. Ferraris who as chairman of the Zululand Chapter of Ulysses and therefore this region's ambassador presented his case in an ubelievably rude, abnoxious, aggressive and grandious manner, making it very clear that he could not care for the opnions and concerns of the residents in of this town. The message I received from Mr. Ferraris was that he would continue to do as he pleases on behalf of Ulysses and take and steam roll the opnions, concerns and feedback of this town, hardly the attitude I would have expected considering the that most St Lucians are clearly opposed to this event taking place here. (forget about the voting pole Ulysseans got hold of that, that is clear, we do not even have enough people to have voted for so many votes!). Furthermore there were gaping holes in the so called facts that Mr. Ferraris presented, listing Turtle tours and whale watching as available activities, out of there specific season? In May? Then how about getting permission from Richardsbay, who has absolutely no jurisdiction over St Lucia, oh, wait I forgot, Mr Ferraris changed his story on this one, syain he was only getting advise from Richardbay, how much more is being thumb sucked then? the so called research done was gaping with holes, I don't doubt that very actual research was actually done! How about this event, in the eyes of the law, is seen as a mass gathering, not according to Mr. Ferraris. Where is any official permission for this, no, there is no such thing, because clearly Ulysseans spearheaded by Mr. Ferraris could not care! Now tell me, how will they care for our environment and for our town? Lyzette Kotze who could not be present at last night's meeting due to long standing out of town commitments (of which Mr. Ferraris was informed about in advance) was taken apart by Mr Ferraris, giving his own ego fuelled interpertation of her e-mail send out to other ST LUCIANS (incidentally for which she has received allot of abuse, some very nasty from other Ullysean club members) - Clearly Mr. Ferraris in all his arrogance took from it what he wished, making statements of children being abducted and so on, read the article, its all there (however not all of Lyzette's e-mail was presented, nor was she contacted for commenting, rather buyest I'd say). Lyzette Kotze's e-mail comes from a place of experience, a very negative experience that most St Lucians have had with previous motorbike rallys that have entered this town, the largest of which was only a fraction in numbers suggested for this rally. These previous rallys posed exactly what was mentioned in Lyzette's e-mail, and there was no reference to children being raped and abducted, as Mr Ferraris stated many times over, but it is a huge risk and danger for our children in St Lucia, who are usually free to safely walk our roads, when aswith previous experience hooligan biker roam our streets. Or how about simply that St Lucia is just too small to host event of this size. This is but an example of the complete misinterpertation that Mr. Ferraris seems to have on what the concerns are, not that he gave anyone time or day or even a moment to express their point of view last night. All I can say is that if Mr. Ferrairs is anything to go by, not to mention all the abusive e-mails and lowly comments (... small minded; uneducated.. does this sound familiar Ullyeseans?)then we are in big trouble should this event take place, already showcasing such, aggresive, threating and hostile behaviour... This all leaves me absolutely petrified at the mere thought that there is a chance of this event realising in our town of St Lucia.

    Furthermore, May, especially the time that this Rally is proposed for , is such a vital period in St Lucia, during which time, as every year with Indaba weekend (International Toursim fair) and as every business owner in St Lucia would know, St Lucia gets many a tour operator, travel agent and international media, come to sample little piece of our St Lucia magic and then go and sell us abroad, this is after all a world heritage site.. I personally feel that this rally would be contradicting to what St Lucia stands for and an image that we are all working very hard at trying to uphold, I believe this rally would be a great threat to us on an international marketing front in the long run. Then again as was made very clear by your "ambassador" Mr. Ferraris last night, Ulysseans do not really care! Then again why would? It's not like you are ST LUCIANS or that St Lucia means anything more than a weekend away on a bike rally to you.

    Please go somewhere else!

  • Comment Link Andrew Bester Tuesday, 08 December 2009 14:45 posted by Andrew Bester

    One would assume that the question "DO YOU WANT THE ULYSSES MOTORBIKE RALLY IN ST. LUCIA ?" was posed to the RESIDENTS of St. Lucia and not to the rest of South Africa.Is this assumption wrong,I very much doubt it. If you know St. Lucia, you will realize that there can not possibly be 450 e-mail addresses in this town .The poll is set up in such a manner that it will only register one vote per e-mail address.Considering that 450 people have so far cast their votes, it is obvious that some outside group is trying to manipulate the outcome of this poll. It is such a pity that a well intended poll, on such a great and possitive website, is abused in this way. I can only hope that, should this rally take place,our town will not also suffer the same abuse

  • Comment Link Flip - Centurion Tuesday, 08 December 2009 13:18 posted by Flip - Centurion

    We just need to find out who the Lodge owner is that is making all the noise and ensure that his lodge is not supported during this time. And those of his family and friends.......

  • Comment Link Miguel Tuesday, 08 December 2009 07:39 posted by Miguel

    I agree with Mrs. Kotze and Charlie,
    You are not welcome in St. Lucia. Please come and visit us in Clarens. We are more central, HAve beautiful scenery, and as host to many events throughout the year (the least rowdy of which is Bikers) we appreciate your business and great spirit!
    Mr. Ferraris, There are a few Ulysses business owners in Clarens who would be happy to assist you with the arrangements.

    Kotze and Charlie should watch less American Biker movies!!! .... So Sad!!!

    P.S. As a biker myself, I am offended by these comments and disgusted by the ignorance.

  • Comment Link dick usher Tuesday, 08 December 2009 07:17 posted by dick usher

    As a 66-year-old biker who has been attending bike rallies since 1976, it has always been amazing to compare these mass events with other gatherings.
    i've NEVER yet seen a fight at a rally. bikers go to have a party and this involves respecting other people's right to have a good time without feeling threatened.
    i doubt that anyone could make the same claim (can you imagine attending rugby matches for 33 years without ever seeing one person punch another?)
    this is largely built on a self-policing ethic - don't mess with someone else's bike, beer or bird and everyone will be fine.
    although, I hate to think what might happen to someone who's found in the wrong tent without good reason

  • Comment Link Wayne Richards Monday, 07 December 2009 17:46 posted by Wayne Richards

    If your business can safford to turn down the revenue....then pass it on to someone else in your comunity!!!!! Your short-sighted vision smacks of the same stink surrounding the Knysna Lourie!!!! Yet in hind sight, it can be stated that the Lourie saved more business's than any other festival or gathering held in Knysna in 2009!!!!

    I look forward to reuniting with St Lucia....be it on my bike!!!! At 47, I have the right to!!!!

  • Comment Link Willie van Eck Monday, 07 December 2009 15:48 posted by Willie van Eck

    In The 70's I use to visit my Uncle and Aunt at Fanie's Island every school holiday. Arriving at Hluhluwe Station (yes, by train all the way from Pretoria). On week-ends it was off to St. Lucia, a little Dorpie near the sea. The people there was few but all of them hospitable and really friendly. Now that I am 47 and a succesful business owner, the people from that once idyllic little dorpie, who I once admired and loved, don't want me to visit again, because I'll be arriving on my motorcycle! You know it's not an attitude like that, that put St. Lucia on the map. It was the hospitality that there always was that created an opportunity for people like Ms. Kotzé to operate successful tourist businesses today, long before the word eco-tourism was even invented. Well, Ms. Kotzé and all like minded people, I just wonder why our Ulysses Rallies are welcomed by the ATKV at their five star resorts but somebody with a small operation like your's does not want to do business with us. You know I have been robbed by geusthouse and B+B owners over the years I have travelled the country on my motorcycle , but I don't generalize by going around saying that all owners of such enterprises are robbers. Why then should people then weigh all bikers or motorcyclists on the same scale. I agree there are always bad apples in the keg, but that does not mean that all the apples are bad. I hope you will rethink your position because I would like to share with my co-Ulysseans from Cape Town, your beautiful part of our country. Just another point I would like to make is this: We Ulysseans are all over the age of forty, we have nothing left to prove to anybody and when we get to a rally, we would just like to kick off our boots and share good times in the company of soulmates. We do it for the love of riding a motorcycle over long distances and visiting beautiful and interesting places.

    Willie van Eck
    Ulysses (Western Cape Chapter)

  • Comment Link Thys - Krugersdorp Monday, 07 December 2009 10:16 posted by Thys - Krugersdorp

    I am a motorcycle owner and rider for the past 40 years and during this time I have toured the country extensively. For one or other unknown reason I have never been to the enclave of St Lucia.As a Ulysses member I now have the chance to visit with friends and see for myself......I should point out however,that I am not a hooligan,thief,drunkard,rapist or a bald tattooed ex convict with no front teeth. I once read that "St Lucia is a swampy bug infested backwater town in the tropics somewhere near the sea".- So what is the big deal with the sh@tty attitude not to let bikers visit?.The chance to view beautiful shiny hi tech machinery is a joy to behold!!Tony Halstead is so right when he says "Bikers can be selective too..."

  • Comment Link Charlie Saturday, 05 December 2009 15:46 posted by Charlie

    St Lucia has one main street. It is an eco tourism destination. 400 - 500 bikes in the main street, especially, as always with these groups, at all times of the night, is just not acceptable. The last "bike rally"? Drunken debauchery, tyre circles in the street (still visible outside the Quarterdeck), a security guard in hospital with broken bones, no helmets, speeding, a menacing presence in local shops by bikers with ("attitude"). Please go somewhere else. And don't try and convince us that we need you, we don't, from what I am reading you need St Lucia, why? I have rental property, and it will not be available, as do I know, will be many others.

  • Comment Link Kenneth Friday, 04 December 2009 17:31 posted by Kenneth

    It is so sad that those that oppose the rally are so ignorant. I have been a motorcycle rider for 37 years. Ulysses is a CLUB for older persons who enjoy riding motorcycles. That does not mean that we should be lumped together into the hooligan biker type that can be found world wide. Most of our members are profesionals, high up the corporate ladder , factory owners or people like my self who hold responsible positions in society. I am the Sheriff of 3 Magisterial districts in the Eastern Cape.We are fussy about who we allow to join our CLUB and as most of our members are in their fifties and sixties, I can assure you that while we enjoy a good laugh and some fun, we do not allow our good time to get out of hand. Yes we do have money and do prefer to sleep in Hotels or GOOD B&B's (Our wives would not have it any other way) So trust me when I say that we were looking forward to visiting your lovely area. Many of us have in visited you before in our motor vehicles and enjoyed the visit and were looking forward to visiting this time on our motorcycles. To us the trip to the destination is just as good as the destination it self. It's about spending time with our like minded friends not destroying an eco system. So thank you for your negative attitude, we can go elsewhere and avoid the very dangerous trip we would have to make through HELL (the Transkei)to get to you.To anwer the question: The Buffalo Rally is open to ALL bikers and thus there will be problems but at Ulysses it is only for the older person, so nobody else can join our rally with out an invitation. Mossel Bay's problem was when they kicked the rally out of town they lost an incredible 5 or 6 million rand in income over one weekend. That was with about 10-12 thousand bikers in attendance. Our National rally is a very small affair by comparison and I doubt if the organisers would get more than 500 members to attend. The reason being for most it is too far to travel and the current economic climate makes a biker even if he has the cash,think twice about where he spends it.I could go and on but thanks for allowing me my input. So sorry that I won't be visiting your area next year but I vote with my feet. I am sorry that the organising comittee should be treated in this way, they don't deserve it as they had the greater community in mind when they proposed ST Lucia and perhaps if the meeting goes well and the rally is held in ST Lucia perhaps the "mother-grundys" will see the error of their ways and realise that they were wrong and that we are really nice people who just happen to ride motorcycles. As for me I won't be visiting I prefer to spend my money where I am wanted. Regards, Ken.

  • Comment Link Blom Friday, 04 December 2009 15:27 posted by Blom

    The last time we went to this 'friendly' village, we had a semi-rigid's pontoons slit with a knife, a second boats motors damaged. Fishing gear stolen & further vandalisation to both boats. Guess what, there was not a single motorcycle in town!! So how are the locals going to treat (very) expensive motorcycles???

  • Comment Link Walda Botha JHB North Friday, 04 December 2009 14:05 posted by Walda Botha JHB North

    Ask Mossel Bay what happened to the Buffalo Rally, they had an injection of millions and welcome the bikers back, the 4x4 hooligans on the beaches do more harm to the environment and to their fat lazy ....

  • Comment Link Barker Friday, 04 December 2009 13:32 posted by Barker

    It might not be the bikers themselves that are a problem, but what controls are in place to regulate all the other uninvited bikers that come for a party?
    There is no commitment by the organisers to control these people. What happened to the Buffalo Rally. And anyway best idea I ever heard was that bikers can be selective. They can then remove St. Lucia off their selection list.... Yippppeee.

  • Comment Link Walda Botha JHB North Friday, 04 December 2009 13:09 posted by Walda Botha JHB North

    Pity that there are always people who want to label people, has ms Koze ever been to a Toy Run? people with very little donate loads of toys to deprived children, their contbutions are worth much more than those who donated thousands with their small change. Bikers are people with hearts and a twinkle in their eyes, they never grow old and they never forget what life is about. I hope Ms Kotze is not Afrikaans because then I would have to hang my head in shame.
    Love these Old Buggers they are the BEST!

  • Comment Link Ettienne Friday, 04 December 2009 11:22 posted by Ettienne

    I think if you ever wanted to attract the right people to St Lucia from the biking world this is your chance. Branding people in a negative light just because they ride bikes would be like never allowing BMW drivers in your town. Sounds crazy now right? The people of the Ulysses club are a great example to bike clubs all around SA. It is a National rally and will attract great recurring business for St Lucia and with the venue being the airfield at 121 Batallion what have you got to lose?

  • Comment Link Sin Friday, 04 December 2009 09:59 posted by Sin

    I'm a younger resident (in my very, very early 30's) and am well settled in St Lucia. I welcome anybody who wants to see our lovely little town and meet our residents whether you come by bike, car or bus. The fact that you are so many makes it even more exiting as it would generate a lot of money for a little town that's going under the strain of the recession. Please don't be fooled by the couple of people that has a lot to say but nothing to proof for it. I can assure you the majority would love to have you in town, the couple who don't are always the same people with the same narrow minded views.

  • Comment Link CARLO Thursday, 03 December 2009 14:36 posted by CARLO

    YES THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO COME TO ST LUCIA THESE ARE NOT "THE WILD BUNCH OR HELLS ANGELS' BUT DECENT PEOPLE WHO LIKE MOTORCYCLING,ARE OVER 40 AND HAVE GOOD JOBS IF NOT THERE OWN BUSINESSES.THEY SHOULD BE WELCOMED,

  • Comment Link Tony Halstead Thursday, 03 December 2009 14:35 posted by Tony Halstead

    My bike costs R150,000 and I use it purely for pleasure. I am a senior manager in a large corporate company. I own property on a well-known golf estate. If the fact that I am a biker means my business is not wanted then, hey, there are plenty of other towns and places that do. Frankly, if this is the attitude of St Lucia residents and businesses, then this town deserves to be nothing more than a place you go to when everything else is booked. Bikers can be selective too!

  • Comment Link James Thursday, 03 December 2009 13:53 posted by James

    Give them a chance, we are in a recession... It sounds well organised?

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